Confucius says "The cautious seldom err"

I really enjoy my Xbox 360, as I’m sure many others do too

It pains me though when I read about their 360 units breaking, especially the dreaded Three Rings of Death....which sounds like something out of a J.R.R Tolkien book


Three Rings to rule them all, Three Rings to find them,

Three Rings to bring them all and in the darkness wreck my damn Xbox 360 turning it into a bloody massive paperweight

 

 

But I digress..

Today we received a disturbing report via SiteHound from a student in France who was studying (I believe) economics and was looking for a decent deal on an Xbox 360. After a week of contact via email and chat with the fadretail.com site, he believed they were trustworthy and also were offering the product at the right price. He proceeded to send them the 200 Euros, which equates to about half price, but then he suddenly stopped hearing from them and with no Xbox 360, no Euros, he’s completely out of pocket.

Now, upon closer inspection of this website, there are many bells that should be ringing.

 

Some of you may feel that these are reasons enough to avoid this kind of site entirely, but when the population of internet users don’t have the same education and instruction on such things, and especially considering this person was in contact with the website operators for over a week, some forgiveness for the mistake can be made. Even more so because it was an Xbox 360 involved, now you’ve really pushed my sympathy button.

Some people may suggest not to shop from overseas, but I can also understand shopping in other countries, I myself purchase many things from overseas...the New Zealand dollar is so high right now against the Yank, that’s just good economics.

OK, so at this point, we’ve got one dude, who’s been ripped off...and with a bit more digging around he probably could have avoided this.

So we looked into this further, and the website that was reported to us. The results were scary, not just the number of other sites out there, but also the diversity of the product they sell.

Here’s just a few other chinese sites that we believe have some kind of association with the same people who took poor Frenchy’s money. They are all very likely scams and will very likely rip you off.

And trust me when I say, this is just the tip of the iceberg.

http://www.aeoea.com
http://www.affair8.com
http://www.bapevogue.com
http://www.beijingpanjiayuan.com
http://www.bizshong.com
http://www.bjwholesalemarket.com
http://www.ceb18.com
http://www.chbtc.com
http://www.cheng318.com
http://www.chinaeagora.com
http://www.clothshox.com
http://www.dgonsale.com
http://www.digitalbbc.com
http://www.digitalcamerasc.com
http://www.digiwsm.com
http://www.dvivb.com
http://www.e-speedservice.com
http://www.e-trade168.com
http://www.ebaywt.com
http://www.elecbar.com
http://www.elpdt.com
http://www.eodat.com
http://www.eurdm.com
http://www.eurds.com
http://www.euretn.com
http://www.eurfm.com
http://www.fadretail.com
http://www.fadshoes.net
http://www.fairpdt.com
http://www.favoritedigi.com
http://www.folieshop.com
http://www.hotbuy5.com
http://www.hotnegocio.com
http://www.jlxin.com
http://www.jojobay.com
http://www.junyuanexport.com
http://www.lduot.com
http://www.milanfashion99.com
http://www.music-666.com
http://www.music-998.com
http://www.mwnst.com
http://www.myeagora.com
http://www.necktie2008.com
http://www.nihaogoods.com
http://www.one-good.com
http://www.onlineshop126.com
http://www.optionalmall.com
http://www.osdgm.com
http://www.ourebazaar.com
http://www.ourefashion.com
http://www.owsfd.com
http://www.powersellershop.com
http://www.powerzh.com
http://www.prevailbag.com
http://www.prevailshoes.com
http://www.rebly.com
http://www.ruceo.com
http://www.sabtw.com
http://www.scaway.com
http://www.season-five.com
http://www.sell-shoes007.com
http://www.shoes816.com
http://www.shoesba.com
http://www.shoesbag315.com
http://www.supermarket168.com
http://www.tnwss.com
http://www.topseverice.com
http://www.trade-china369.com
http://www.tradedigi.com
http://www.untiontrade.com
http://www.wesob.com
http://www.world-sell.com
http://www.worldtrade168.com
http://www.wsuto.com
http://www.wtosky.com
http://www.wxhbaby.com
http://www.xckj188.com
http://www.zdito.com
http://www.zhanghao16888.com

 

As of 25th March comments are now disabled, please see the updated post here

http://firetrust.com/en/blog/chris/the-bigger-list-of-chinese-scams

Same thing happened to me on

Same thing happened to me on wtosky.com, do not trust any of these sites. Please post if this happened to you, I even used paypal and they are doing nothing.

me too 0n dgonsale.com, im

me too 0n dgonsale.com, im so pissed right now, i spent $500 for nothing, theyre assholes

they are starting to

they are starting to distribute their spam on myspace.com received one from digitalbbc.com whois entry is bogus: Registrant Contact: wei wei wei bfm_123@163.com 13261980615 fax: 0592-5861834 bejin bejin bejin 100000 cn Administrative Contact: wei wei bfm_123@163.com 13261980615 fax: 0592-5861834 bejin bejin bejin 100000 cn Technical Contact: wei wei bfm_123@163.com 13261980615 fax: 0592-5861834 bejin bejin bejin 100000 cn Billing Contact: wei wei bfm_123@163.com 13261980615 fax: 0592-5861834 bejin bejin bejin 100000 cn DNS: ns1.4everdns.com ns2.4everdns.com Created: 2007-05-23 Expires: 2008-05-23

thank's for your comment's,

thank's for your comment's, we'r really thankful for your info. hopes anybody ells meet with thoes situations agayn. bye and thank's agayn

Hello, i have also problems

Hello, i have also problems with wtosky.com. I buyed there two mixers an a beamer. For that i payed the price of the goods, for the duty and for the shipping transfer and now .... i have nothing. What i can do to get my money back? Is it possible to indicate them?

Hi blackjackpg I don't know

Hi blackjackpg

I don't know what options are available to get the money back, the general feeling on these kinds of scams seems to be that once the money is gone there is nothing you can do. However I'm going to try asking some questions and see if I can get any answers.

Can you tell me what method you used to pay for the items ?

Thanks

Chris

Hi Chris, Do you know of

Hi Chris, Do you know of any reliable suppliers in China or Hong Kong where I acn buy mobile phones and Apple products from? Thank you

To be fair I'm not

To be fair I'm not interested in legitimate suppliers, your best bet though is over at www.thewholesaleforums.co.uk

 

here what you gonna do just

here what you gonna do just try playing with them order may goods as you can using different email address , thats the only way you can bounce back to them, because they get very mad when I order a lot and giving them wrong visa number or western number

hi,i just bumped out of

hi,i just bumped out of money.i sent over 245 pounds to a website by name www.digitalbbc.com. they have stopped replying my emails and dont even pickup the phone anymore. please stay away from them if you worked hard for your money.the BBC should be informed of these scam so they can warn people to stay away.i have learned the HARD way and i promise you, they will pay

Hi, I nearly loss $883

Hi, I nearly loss $883 australian dollar today, luckily I browse and I saw your posting regarding chinese site and the site that I was dealing was written in your list. "http://www.osdgm.com". The guy that's answering my email was 'tuyguiuhoo' was really patient and keen to answer my question. I had to order from them, one is the mobile phone worth $47 and the other is 3x set of xbox worth 160euro each and when I told them that I had paid the 3x set of xbox through westernunion. They sent me invoice and details of the mobile that they had processed and ready to post. I was shock because I told them that the payment is for the xbox. I been waiting for their reply and until now they havent answer me. I able to refund my payment with westernunion but I lost the $30 fee..Its better than $800..thanks alot for your site..keep up the good work..

Hi there This is the first

Hi there

This is the first good news I've seen so far, so I'm very glad you were able to stop this before losing all the money.

Thanks for posting

Chris

is there any trustworthy

is there any trustworthy legite trade sites out there that u dont have to worry about getting ripped off from

Yes, there are many

Yes, there are many trustworthy sites.   But do research on them first.

For example, one site I purchase from myself is www.play-asia.com who I find excellent, both in terms of price and delivery.  Obviously they don't seem quite as cheap as the scam sites, but when you will actually receive the goods you order, I think that's a small price to pay :)

Something about the deal

Something about the deal sounded too good to be true! Thanks for the heads up! I was in the process of placing an order for 2-42 inch LCD TV and a 17" Mac book pro from one of these sites. I would have lost so much money!

Wow....yes you would have. 

Wow....yes you would have.  I'm glad it helped :)

I was conned out of $400 AUD

I was conned out of $400 AUD for a GPS navigator I never received. I feel like an idiot, but hindsight is a wonderful thing. I didn't do my research properly. They contacted me through ebay on 2 seperate occasions and liased with me for a week through the website www.scaway.com before I made payment. They gave me Bank of China details to deposit the money and even sent me an email saying they received payment and said they would send the item (to buy more time). Is there any internet fraud department that would be interested in these details? I know I wont get any money back but I hope I can save others making the same mistake?

Hi there The first step

Hi there

The first step would be your local police, however given the scale and number of victims, it would be awesome if the Australian Federal Police got involved.  Check out http://www.ahtcc.gov.au/tech_crimes_types/fraud.htm for more information on this.

 

Cheers 

Huh... My coworker bought a

Huh... My coworker bought a laptop from osdgm.com and got it. he brought it into work to show us. It's very nice. he only paid about half price of what he could get it in a store here. I'm not saying that these sites are not scams, but i do know that osdgm.com is not one of them. funny - most of these sites look almost the same (including osdgm.com) and some have similar contact information. but osdgm also sells on ebay and when my coworker showed me, had a 100% rating. yes, i was wary, because i had found this thread before he had got his laptop, and i told him about it. but he got it. i was also wary because the site had only existed for a few weeks at the time that he ordered it. my coworker used western union to transfer the money, and the money wasn't taken out until the package was marked as delivered. I'm now thinking of buying somethings off it now and reselling them on ebay myself. also, osdgm.com updates every week or two and adds a few new products (and removes a few too). I'm going to wait until my coworker buys more from osdgm.com just to make sure they don't try anything (he is about to buy another laptop and a cell phone).

FFS......if only stupidity

FFS......if only stupidity was painful.

Let's take a closer look at www.osdgm.com

 

A quick Google search on this website reveals some interesting posts.

This one here which (in Spanish) talks about a user being ripped off with a transaction involving a motorcycle.

And further discussion (still in Spanish) on it here

Then let's look at the date that www.osdgm.com was first registered.
http://whois.dnsstuff.com/tools/whois.ch?ip=osdgm.com
28th June 2007

Quick check on their website and it says....2000....huh...what ?

Let's try their listed phone number from the website then. Another quick Google search.

Nothing to worry about there, they only share this phone number with
www.fadretail.com
www.fairpdt.com
www.prevailshoes.com
www.wesob.com
www.voguedm.com
www.gleedw.com
www.dvivb.com

But then all those sites have different email address and Skype contacts, and Hotmail addresses too.

 

Let's also mention that the phone number listed in the Who Is results above is fake. not a typo. Fake.

tel: 86 010 12345678

 

 

In that Google search there was also a mention of the phone number here
http://www.fraudwatchers.org/forums/showthread.php?t=7630&page=6
But again, what would fraudwatchers.org know about fraud.

 

Well then what about the payment options

Western Union.
Money Gram.
Direct Bank Transfer.
So what if none of these payment methods give the buyer any fraud protection

 

So then let's go back to the what you've said.

One person received one item, so suddenly they are legitimate ? Bullshit.

We've never heard of eBay users gettings their accounts hacked either have we.

Of course too you can't forge eBay feedback, I mean, just because there is over 1200 websites, that doesn't mean this is organized and have many people involved.

And lastly, one guy gets his $500 laptop sent, so then friends and family place orders that will probably come to several thousand dollars.

Sure most people don't go to the lengths I have to check out a site, but it shows with a little investigation how much you can find out. If you are still convinced this site is legit then by all means, order up large.

Could you check out this

Could you check out this company. We can do COD for you??/DIV> From: Justine (raokaihui@hotmail.com) r You may not know this sender. Mark as safe | Mark as unsafe Sent: Tues 8/07/07 3:32 PM To: bfit2dance@hotmail.com dear Terrald, how are you ! I met you on the go4worldbusiness know you are looking for a supplier can send you shoes, i can do this for you .. i am a company owner from china selling desinger handbags(LV,chanel,hermes,gucci,coach) ,shoes(jordan,gucci,airforce one,bape,locaste,prada ) ,clothing ,jeans(diesel,redmonkey),jackets,jerseys(nfl ,nba,mlb) ,hats (ed hardy ..NY,locaste),sunglasses,watches ,ipod nano mp4 and so on . welcome to visit my web site : http://www.huichuangtrading.com/ for our business starting , i will do full C.O.D for you , it means you should pay me when you received my items , so you do not worry about been scamed by some bad chinese sellers here . and also i hope you are a serious business man whom can be trusted . for more details please click to my web album link : http://photo.163.com/photos/raokaihui/ http://photo.163.com/photos/rkh1983/ I wish to cooperate with you in a long term ..please contact us by my email :raokaihui @hotmail. com or huichuangtrading@yahoo.com I am looking forward to hearing from you soon .. Best regards Justine

This is a scam artist, I

This is a scam artist, I have done business with this guy for about 2 years. He will send you stuff C.O.D. but it won't be more than $100-150. They do that to build your trust so you can send a lot of money and then they will disappear. So don't trust him or her. If they want to send you stuff C.O.D take it and pay for that but other than that don't deal with them.

yes , i have confirmed this

yes , i have confirmed this company .i located in UK, justine is a good man ,i have done long term with him alreday , wish you can contact him too .

Do NOT trust this comment

Do NOT trust this comment made directly above, it was made by a person located in China, not the UK like they say. (IP Address: 220.192.66.34)

They are only trying to deceive you. I approved this comment to highlight the importance of doing your research, and to not believe anything you read. Also it gives you another reason to not trust the website http://www.huichuangtrading.com

I have tried to reach

I have tried to reach Justine for about 1 month now. Here is the story, I sent this guy Justine $1000 USD, he took that money and I never heard from him again. He sent me an email on the 27th of September and told me he send me a nice order which mind you i paid for. I never heard from this guy again. I have tried all the email addresses that he has on his site and the phone numbers, he don't respond to anything. I have tried to get money back from this guy and he don't respond to anything. Don't send Justine any money first. He talks about how good of a supplier he is, he is a scam artist and he took my money and he will take yours too. Only do C.O.D with this supplier. He saw my reply and tried to convince you he is a good guy, don't buy it. Justine if you are reading this, here is your email address: http://www.huichuangtrading.com, raokaihui@hotmail.com- I have not recieved any mail from the email address since he sent me the last message telling me he sent my box, but I never received it and it has been a month now. JUSTINE RAO is your Instant Messenger name. You haven't been online since, it you are a good man like you tell everyone, then you should contact me about either my order or my money. I order products from you so MAN UP AND KEEP YOUR WORD YOU LIAR.

good

good

www.gleedw.com is a not

www.gleedw.com is a not legitimate, its a con, fraud, scandal, rip off, theft, pishtake, bo-shank. There are many other sites like this. There is a simple rule..... If it looks too good to be true.. ...then, it is too good to be true. If your looking for a bargain I'm selling London Bridge if anyones interested?

Goodday sir, I was so

Goodday sir, I was so intressted in www.gleedw.com but I can't understand why it's that cheap.. Is it really fake? Kind regards

i think it's not real!

i think it's not real!

dear . in oct 2007 i have

dear . in oct 2007 i have contact the man name: di yang (shoo.pp@hotmail.com ) website : www.shoopp.com .i paid money 1400 usd buy digital camera products in 18 oct 2007 and they told me need 7days i get goods in my home but after 8 days i waited cargo them email to me transport cargo company return cargo to them because my country customs need pay 30% duty import and when they receive cargo from transport company them transport it to me immediately by other company . but in today i have not receive cargo ,i email asked them transport company name , tracking number but they not reply email to me know . pls help me check their company ,now i think me lost money . this is information their company : company name : beijing wanguo electronics address : E-World 4A168 ZhongGuanCun HaiDian BeiJing phone number : 0086 10 87070771 MNS : shoo.pp@hotmail.com contact name : di yang thanks! pls check them and tell me know mr.khoa

Dear mr.khoa I purchase the

Dear mr.khoa I purchase the computer from their company, the tracing number is EA911008614CN.Please check http:www.ems.com.cn/ I already received my notebook, I am extremely happy. My name is Frode Jorgensen address: Dokkgata 1 7014 Trondheim Norway

Scammer.   This posting

Scammer.   This posting came from China

IP address 123.121.58.106

 

TELL YOUR CO-WORKER NOT TO

TELL YOUR CO-WORKER NOT TO BUY A THING OF OSDGM - THEY ARE CON ARTISTS. I HAVE JUST PAID OVER $600 FOR A PLAYSTATION 3, AND NEVER RECEIVED A THING. HE WON'T GIVE ME A REFUND, HE SAYS IT'S STUCK IN THE CUSTOMHOUSE OVER THERE AND DEMANDS MORE MONEY!

osdgm.com placed a spam

osdgm.com placed a spam comment on someone's ebay listing. I decided to check out their site, and of course the low prices look incredible. Western Union being a payment option was the first alarm bell. I searched google for the term osdgm.com and found this page. What I find scary is the fact that so many sites are exactly the same. Very suspicious. Only a little of the formatting is different.

I can only thank my lucky

I can only thank my lucky stars purely by accident I stumbled across this site earlier this month, me and my dad were going to get a tv each from www.digitalbbc.com, instead of typing the address into the address bar, I typed it into google and your site came up upon looking through it I see it was a scam and seized all communication with them...Thanks again hopefully many more see this site before wasting their hard earned cash.

That's good news, you've

That's good news, you've also learnt a good lesson on doing research first as you never know what may turn up.

Lost more than 800€ on

Lost more than 800€ on wtosky.com, I was speaking with the "girl" (who knows) for more than a week, she provided papers and tracking numbers of received products because I was reticent, I also found strange things on google about them but still I tried, and now I'm pissed, like never before, and they will pay for that I'm going to destroy they're spaming intent one after another, I will do the most dirty things I can for as long as it take.

hi, i was just scammed for

hi, i was just scammed for $554 by wgtmdy.com and of course they say my item is in customs and i need to pay another $200. i am obviously not going to waste more money but i want to complain as many places (in english), as possible, and scare the living s**t out of them. Where do I go online to file fraud complaints? Can I do it with the FBI? thanks, sorry to sound dramatic but like many others it takes our family alot of work to set aside and then throw away $554. Beth

Your local police should

Your local police should take the complaint, though typically they are dismissive.  With some gentle persuasion you hopefully can get tehm to point you in the right direction.

With regards to the FBI, check out the Internet Crime Complaint Center here http://www.ic3.gov

 

Has anyone had experience

Has anyone had experience with www.ele-export.com They seem to be along the same lines as the rest of the scams. hotmail.com email and western union payment options. This is crazy all these places trying to scam us out of our HARD earned money!

Thanks for the list, you've

Thanks for the list, you've saved me some dough

No problems, glad it helped

No problems, glad it helped

i came across these 2 and

i came across these 2 and there is most likely lots more of them http://www.ruceo.com http://www.cieuo.com

Great, have added to the

Great, have added to the list.

Hi could you check out this

Hi could you check out this website for me www.beijing-trade.com I've paid them over 3000 euro and they keep sayng they will get a tracking number luckly i have suspended there paypal account as this is how i paid they aren't happy could you let me know asap thanks. Donna

Nothing suggests to me this

Nothing suggests to me this website is legitimate, in my opinion they will either scam you or send you counterfeit goods.  Will add to the list.

Click on paypal or a credit

Click on paypal or a credit card and you just get bank details. No buyer protection. Looks bad.

Am very VERY glad that I

Am very VERY glad that I stumbled accross this website. Was looking around on www.cieuo.com and prices seemed too good to be true. However I was a little skeptical on the fact that a IT store sold both DJ equiptment and Motorcycles! Still... it didn't deter me as the low prices were getting the better of me. I went to register for a Western Union account and subconsciously thought, "let's do a google search on the URL and see if any bad feedback comes up about the site..." Well, my concerns were definately answered when I came accross this blog. Thanks Chris and everyone else who as shon some light back into my head! Guess it's back to the good 'ol store shopping in person for me. Cheers.

Great David.  Glad it

Great David.  Glad it helped

I always get ebay-messages

I always get ebay-messages for my goods i want to sell... they just send me their ads in the question. Spam-Idiots... NICE BLOG! Everyone can post something! Thats great! There should be more blogs like this one.