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So, you wanna deal with a website in China

Since posting the big ass list of websites that we think are very dodgy, we’ve drawn a crapload of comments from..... <Christopher !! – Stop Swearing !!!> ......<Sorry Mum>.....sigh.....

Since posting a rather substantial list of websites, that are fraudulent in nature either by selling counterfeit merchandise or simply taking orders but never sending product, we’ve drawn a significant amount of comments from folk who either are still interested in buying branded product from unofficial Chinese websites, or have themselves become victims.

I’m not quite sure what it is that drives people to believe they can buy quality and legitimate branded product like Nike and Rolex from China without going through the brand owners proper authorised distribution channels, but then I also think that’s irrelevant at this point. Though there is some further reading on FraudWatchers as well which I think reiterates the issues.

To help cope with the number of comments we’ve attracted, and to further try to help folk who have been ‘taken’ by these websites, I’d like to offer the following information on authorities within China you can contact.

 

Before I get into those details, something I should stress a great deal is be extremely wary of your manner, I say this because when people are rude to me, I quite often just ignore them. We aren’t in Texas, and those who shout loudest will not win. China is also a very big place, and there is a significant amount of beauracracy that often has to be dealt with, and while this can be frustrating, it’s something you should be prepared for given you are considering dealing with China.

 

  • Never swear or use any racial slurs in your communication. The contact details below I give, I give because they can help, they are not trying to take money from you, or make your process painful. If you become insulting you may easy offend people and lose their support.
  • Always spell check, and use proper language, such as no slang in any written communication. English is not their first language, if you use text speak, slang, or just not bother to spell check properly you make it extremely difficult. Things can often get lost in translation, and misunderstandings can occur.
  • Be as clear, and concise, and thorough as possible. The more information you can give the better.


 

The Ministry of Commerce to the Peoples Republic of China


The most helpful government department I’ve ever dealt with. I’ve sent them three separate enquiries and each time received a reply within 24 hours. They will not have all the answers, but they are excellent at redirecting your enquiry and giving you advice on whom you could contact regarding your specific questions. You can view a lot of the previous questions that have been asked and answered as well here http://gzly.mofcom.gov.cn/website/pubmail/pubmail_list.jsp

Website : http://english.mofcom.gov.cn/
Contact Online : http://gzly.mofcom.gov.cn/website/pubmail/send_mail_en.jsp

 

 

Local Administration for Industry and Commerce


Here you can confirm the validity, and if the company is legally registered. You can also check if it has certificates for foreign trade. If the company you check turns out to be illegal or fraudulent, then the local relevant authorities will take action to terminate it. Well, that’s the theory. I have yet to see it work yet.

Inquiries about Registration and Operation of Enterprise in China

http://www.fdi.gov.cn:8080/pub/FDI/qycx/qycx_en/info.jsp

You need to be sure you select the Region, if none of your searching turns up any results then contact the local authorities for Industry and Commerce, as each province within China has its own Industry and Commerce Administration Bureau there are many branches, full details here.

Contact website for local authorities

If you don’t know which province, check the website you are looking to deal with.

You may also use the Local Administration for Industry and Commerce to contact for complaints if something is wrong with the transaction.

 

 

Mediation Center of the China Council for the Promotion of International Trade


If something goes wrong with your transaction, and you have already tried to contact your Chinese business partner to resolve without success, then these are the folk to talk to.

Phone number- +86-10-68080117
Email - flwangfang@ccpit.org
Website - http://english.ccpit.org/

I have personally tried to contact that email address, but have not yet received a reply. I don’t know why that might be, but these were the contact details I was given, so I simply pass them on at this point.

 

Further Complaints

Obviously if you have, or believe you have become the victim of a criminal act, you should file a complaint with local Police. Also the Internet Crime Complaint Centre would be another good option. It shouldn't matter what country you are in.

http://ic3.gov/

 

I hope this helps. If you have more information that can improve this post I'd like to know.

Comments on this post are now disabledand being taken here in our Chinese Fakes Forum

 

Cheers

Chris

Hello! I have ordered from

Hello! I have ordered from www.szsuff.com, same as www.szsuff.ecw.com, www.szsuff.en.ec21.com, www.szuff.en.china.cn 12 units of cell phones. I have paid them in advance. After one week I have got a delivery of 11 units, whereby 2 units have not been the type, which I had ordered. These 2 units do not work here. At the moment I have lost USD 400 in dealing with this firm. They are not helping me solving the problem sind 2 weeks. All the best Roland

Hopefully one of the

Hopefully one of the contacts above will be able to help you Roland.

hi i ,ll mention some

hi i ,ll mention some scammer site hope its work www.cbgeg.com www.honesty1.com www.elewholesale.com www.myshoponline66.com www.ufcie.com

Thanks, adding to the list

Thanks, adding to the list :)

I just want everyone to know

I just want everyone to know ecvv.com and alibaba.com are the biggest scammer websites out there. There is not one legitimate company on that website. Both of the websites are fraud. After i reported a company for being fraud they still let them be on their website. They are all in on it because they are making money they dont care about the poeple losing it to the companies they have on there.

Also www.by-well.com is

Also www.by-well.com is fraudulent and stole my money!

www.bywell.com.cn is this

www.bywell.com.cn is this the same as by-well you refer to? I too have had a bad experiance, but don't know what to do. All I know is the contact name on yahoo is Linda Sosa, paypalisok@yahoo.com she sent me to a robert (who speaks better English appearently)his contact is allbrandname@hotmail.com. Could this be the same as yours?

my girlfriend had a terrible

my girlfriend had a terrible issue with Robert allbrandname@hotmail.com too! He lied to her about having a bag in stock. After sending money over, he refused to refund and demanded that she buy bags from him that she doesn't want. Is there a way to get him?

I've spoken with both

I've spoken with both "Linda" and "Robert" with the same email addresses. He's scammed me and stolen my money too. I'm currently exchanging emails with him still, he refuses to refund my money. I'm not sure how long more he will keep replying me, but I'm not expecting anything good to come of it.

I sent them money!!! Did you

I sent them money!!! Did you get anything from them or did they steal your money? I am so nervous and please let me know

DID YOU GET ANYTHING YET, I

DID YOU GET ANYTHING YET, I WISH I FOUND THIS LAST MONTH. I ORDERED AND CAN TELL I WONT GET A REFUND OR ANY GOODS.

YES I AM FEUDING WITH THEM

YES I AM FEUDING WITH THEM RIGHT NOW. BY-WELL. DID YOU EVER GET YOUR MONEY OR GOODS. THEY FOUND MY AD ON IOFFER AND SAID THEY HAD WHAT I WANTED. I PAID AND AFTER WEEKS THEY SAY THEY DONT HAVE IN STOCK AND NOW WONT REFUND ME.

Hello, I ordered 2 phones

Hello, I ordered 2 phones from www.shoes88trade.com and got scammed. The person I talked the were Lee Lin and Vera Lin. They gave me this payment information, maybe they could be tracked throught this account owner. Beneficiary Institution : Bank of China Putian Branch SWIFT: BKCHCNBJ73C PAYEE: wenxuan xu BEN’S ACCOUNT: 4552301-0188-094326-0 BEN’S TELEPHON: 08613599878404 I contacted with them under different name throught msn and I believe that today they are using already different site - http://www.ecpeak-trading.com/ and they sent this payment information: Beneficiary Institution : Bank of China Putian Branch SWIFT: BKCHCNBJ73C PAYEE: Liping Lin BEN’S ACCOUNT: 4552301-0188-091730-8 BEN’S TELEPHON: 086-0594-6669620 Is there a possibility to contact maybe Putian police somehow? The money I lost was for educational purposes and its OK, but I do not want these persons to scam people furter. best regards, Indrek

Try the contacts above

Try the contacts above Indrek, they may put you in touch with Putian Police.

hi, sombody knows something

hi, sombody knows something about aoeoc.com?

Scam site.

Scam site.

Most likely fraudulent

Most likely fraudulent transaction with www.totrend.com. Believe I have been scammed out of electronic goods that will never arrive. They stated they would send me tracking information immediately and it has been over 24 hrs. I tried to communicate via msn and got them online but once they determined that I had already paid they dropped communication. Several subsequent attempts on different computers yielded an online conversation but again, once it was determined that I was looking for a confirmation number the communication ceased. I was scammmed out of over $1000.00. They gave me bank details but I wanted the products purchased before Christmas so went for Western Union. bad move. The site is still active and they are still taking orders, though it goes off and on, whereas in prior days the site was always accessible. This really is a shame as it makes it difficult for any legitamite chinese based companies to conduct international trade via the internet. I wish I had consulted this site and really do not know if I have any recourse. Very elaborate scheme with links to Chinese business authorties, banking codes and accounts, registerd on other sites with credit checks,links to tracking numbers at DHL, UPS, etc. with dates and delievery details. Any advice or method to forwarn those that may be future victims? I have an entire folder of information, bank details, reference numbers to Chinese Business bureau. Contact names, phone numbers, weblinks, western union transfer codes, names, refering cites on MSN, emails, etc.

Hopefully those contact

Hopefully those contact links above will give you some success, in regards to warning more victims, posting on the net like this is a good way to create a searchable record.

You could also try local TV or newspapers, see if they'd write an article about your experience.  We often feel embarrassed by being scammed and I think any exposure like this can be good....it just dents our pride a little :) 

I got scammed

I got scammed by www.likedp.com watch out for these guys. More fool me!

Thanks for letting me know,

Thanks for letting me know, adding to the list.

by-well.com and

by-well.com and by-well.com.cn they are not same company you can open

I lost over $1000.00 it is

I lost over $1000.00 it is now confirmed. I was able to get them online for a chat and they basically told me their were a scam after recieving my money. Lord, their were so many red flags, I was just to determined to get a good deal that I was oblivious. It was almost like gambling. PLease avoid the following sites www.totrend.com, www.buy-2008.com,www.mallwelt.com They all have posting on MSN on thousands of listed products. Their sites are still active. I have taken the interest to file a complaint at sevaeral fraud sites including ic3.org and various chinese minsitries. Thanks for a site for victims of online fraud via bigus chinese wholesellers. Had I only done some more research. Is there any remuniaration for victims of chinese online fraud. Their government has enough to compensate victims and they passively allow for this to occur.

There's probably very little

There's probably very little chance you'll see that money again, it's one of the reasons that these scams are so successful given the difficulty of alerting proper Chinese authorities and having them follow through.

Hi, First of all thank you

Hi, First of all thank you for putting this page together, it certainly helps when thinking about importing for the first time. I can not seem to see DHgate.com and ecvv.com on any scam list is this a good indication that these sites are valid or is precaution still needed? Regards

Those sites are valid, but

Those sites are valid, but that doesn't mean the people you deal with will be.   These sites have been known to have been used by scammers etc... to find new victims.

So you still need to take every precaution.

This website seems to be the

This website seems to be the replacement for the recently deconstructed delcomobile.com site. The same exact style of site and broadly the same office details as Delcomobile.... Beware of these people, definitely scammers...

Well this part certainly

Well this part certainly isn't true.

  • We have good reason to be proud of our achievements, we have been supplying mobiles since 2003 and to date have supplied more than 1 million customers, many of whom keep coming back to us year after year.
  •  

    Hello is http://oxugo.com

    Hello is http://oxugo.com safe? Or a serious company?

    attention cette personne est

    attention cette personne est tres maline,ce site est une grosse escroquerie.

    This site is already in the

    This site is already in the list

    hey ,http://oxugo.com no

    hey ,http://oxugo.com no safe company ,cheat my money for 5 untis N95 1000euro in all .plz dont buy from him . i have buy from chinese guy is good ,and safe is :nokia.market@hotmail.com i buy ,and after 10 days received . i am happy ...........

    red flags - hotmail.com

    red flags - hotmail.com contact given and poor chinglish

    Hi, I've been searching for

    Hi, I've been searching for any validity of this http://www.actfind.com & http://www.actusglobal.com site. Can anyone give me more details or where I can get more details on this 2 company?

    Actfind are selling fakes,

    Actfind are selling fakes, but apparently they are 'honest' about that.

    I'm finding it hard to see decent information around Actusglobal, but from all the websites I've seen they certainly give a better appearance of being legitimate

    Hello, I have two bad

    Hello, I have two bad experience with actfind.com 1. I ordered some goods, at 13/12/2007 and already paid by paypal. After 3 days no news from them, then I emailed they said that the goods are out of stock (WTF?). They told me a week after new year they will send the goods. I ask them to refund my money if they cant get on the goods. January 16th, they still dont give my money back,so with still a little bit of patience I decided to use my payment money to order another goods and cancelled my first one. 2. The second ordered were actually processed and delivered at 24th of January. What happened was, in my order, I choose DHL (more expensive) shipping method and they send it to me using EMS (cheaper by 15 USD). I have not yet received my order, so....please DO NOT ORDER FROM ACTFIND.COM or you will get tricked!!!! proof can be seen here: http://www.bw.net/companies-feedback/2258-actfind-com-true-scam.html#post6494

    Is there a site that lists

    Is there a site that lists valid companies only where folks have had success in dealing with them? That way we would not have to worry so much about the scam sites. I have plans to visit China this spring in search of reputable companies. Maybe we should get a group and travel and purchase together. Just a thought.

    There's plenty of other

    There's plenty of other websites that offer things like this, my advice is try over at http://www.thewholesaleforums.co.uk

    Hello, I was wanting to know

    Hello, I was wanting to know if anyone knew who to contact in China, law officials or anyone becuase I have sent 26,250.00 to a company by the name of FuJian FeiTian Trading Co., Ltd. and they kept it, cutting off all communication with me... They were on tradkey as a drop shipper, so I listed some phones on e-bay and took their money and purchased the phones, so now I may be facing jail time because I used them as a drop shipper.. I could use any help that onyone can offer, I am desperate, I have my house on the market and don't know what else to do...LOST OVER 26,000.00 USD...

    First contact Local Police

    First contact Local Police or FBI and talk to someone in the CyberCrime/Fraud Unit. Also file a complaint with www.ic3.gov

    The Chinese Embassy in your area/country would also be worth trying.

    At the very least this will create an audit trail, which may be needed later.

    Very much try those contact links in the above posting, in the hope they'll put you onto proper law enforcement in China etc....if you visit the websites mentioned too you'll see phone numbers. It's possible that you may also encounter language problems when trying to call, so I would suggest consider hiring an interpretor, maybe there is a local school or some such thing where someone can help you if you do encounter language issues. The key is getting them to understand exactly what your situation is, so they can properly assist you. It may even be the FBI has translation resources that you can use.

     

    I'm surprised in all of this, given the large amount involved. But it's important to get as many people aware and involved as you can, because I believe due to the high amount you are more likley to get assistance from those who can truly help you.

    what should i look for when

    what should i look for when i think a site is a scam. i too have found great deals on ecvv.com but i want to make sure i dont get ripped off...what do you think?

    Have a read

    www.wqlh168.com I PURCAHSED

    www.wqlh168.com I PURCAHSED A 4 WHEELER BUT I DID PAY WITH PAYPAL I EVEN CALL ED PAYPAL TO CONFIRM SELLERS PAYPAL ADDRESS THEY TOLD HE HIS GOOD STANDING WITH NO PROBLEMS IS THIS SITE A SCAM SITE IVE SENT 3200 THRU PAYPAL THIS WAS THE INFO FOR THE SITE LISTED ABOVE Our company's name is BEJING KENI ELECTRON TECHNOLOGICAL LTD The number is 86+15993130398 THE PAYPAL ADDRESS I SENT THE MONEY TOO IS xiangming1972taijing@yahoo.com.cn.PLEASE ANY INFO WILL HELP

    This website appears offline

    This website appears offline for me ?   Probably not a good sign.

    I was on www.eecv.com and I

    I was on www.eecv.com and I was looking to purchas a new phone and I was wonderfing if the seller is a gold supplier and also has his licenses verified by china mainland suppliers are they a pretty safe company to trust.And what kind of suspisious stuff should I look for when dealing with some of these people.Please let me know Thankyou

    Generally speaking if you

    Generally speaking if you are only buying a single phone you really should just buy local, the quality, and proper buyer protections are in place if you do that.

     

    Must of eecv.com are

    Must of eecv.com are scamers, if you want to really find out if they are is very easy. Since must of them said they live in China at the beginig dont said anything let them feel comfortabel with you but just when they invit you to send money trough western Union just tell them that you like there phone number and adress, ones you have these tell them you will ask a friend who lives in the same area to pick up the goods in person and that the transaction will be hand to hand............There in mst of the caises they simpy disapear.

    Hello, I have come across a

    Hello, I have come across a site called http://www.faddy168.com and wanted to buy a 17" Apple BacBook Pro from them. There only Payment source is PayPal, but how is my money protected if i do not receive the item? I went to Your Guide on scams and it seems there website was created on 28/10/07 but i do understand new sites come up all the time. I have been talking with the On-Line Live Help for hours and ive even told them that i think they are a scamming web-site and they have reasured me they are not by giving me other peoples tracking numbers so i can see for myself. http://www.ems.com.cn/english-main.jsp A Pc to UK - EA978801896CN A PS3 to USA - EA978800025CN Please Could you help me finding out if this is a Scam. Kind Regards Anthony Trueman

    Sorry for the dealy, no,

    Sorry for the dealy, no, this website shouldn't be trusted.  They use fake information and will just take your money

    HELLO: I WAS SCAMMED OUT OF

    HELLO: I WAS SCAMMED OUT OF $2050.00 USD BY HAO LI THE WEB SITE IS http://www.nik9888.com!! I ORDERED 2 TV'S 2 NINTENDO WII'S 1 BOSE ENTERTAINMENT SYSTEM, 1 NINTENDO DS LITE, HE OR SHE WHAT EVER YOU WANT TO CALL THEM TOOK ME FOR $1400 USD THE FIRST TIME AND TOLD ME THAT MY ITEMS WERE IN ROUTE TO ME AND GAVE ME A SHIPPING NUMBER, THEN WHEN THE SHIPPING TRACKING NUMBER SHOWED UP THAT IT WAS DELIVERED TO NEW YORK AND SOME ONE ELSE SIGNED FOR IT I WAS TOLD IT WAS A MISTAKE ON THE TRACKING NUMBER I RECEIVED THE WRONG TRACKING NUMBER, THEN I WAS TOLD I HAD TO PAY 60% CUSTOM TAX SO THE CHINA CUSTOMS WOULD RELEASE MY ITEMS TO BE SHIPPED, WHEN I REFUSED TO PAY IT I WAS TOLD EITHER PAY IT OR LOOSE EVERYTHING SO I HAD NO CHOICE TO PAY IT I DIDN'T WANT TO LOOSE MY MONEY SO I PAID THE OTHER HALF OF $650 USD AND I WAS GIVEN ANOTHER TRACKING NUMBER AND IT SHOWED UP THAT IT WAS DELIVERED TO THE UK, WHEN I QUESTIONED WHAT WAS GOING ON AND TOLD THEM TO EITHER GIVE ME MY MONEY BACK OR SEND THE PRODUCTS THEY WANTED ME TO PAY ANOTHER $800 USD I WENT NUTS AND I TOLD THEM THAT I WAS GOING TO FILE A CLAIM WITH THE INTERNET FRAUD UNIT AND THE CHINA POLICE THEY TOLD ME TO GO AHEAD THAT NOTHING WILL GET DONE TO THEM, THEN WHEN I ASKED FOR MY MONEY BACK THEY TOLD ME THAT I WAS MAKING THEM ANGERY AND THAT THEY WERE GOING TO DELETE ME FROM THEIR LIST AND REPORT SCAM CHARGES ON ME, I TOLD THEM THEY WERE CRAZY. ANYWAYS I DONE MY RESEARCH ON THE WEB SITE LIKE I READ, AND WHEN I DO SO COME TO FIND OUT IT WAS LISTED TO CA. IN THE USA AND HAD A PHONE NUMBER L.A. INTERNATIONAL AIRPORT?? IS THEIR ANYTHING ELSE I CAN DO TO TRY TO BRING THIS SCAM SITE TO PAY FOR WHAT THEY ARE DOING TO PEOPLE. THIS HAO LI IS A SCAM!! THANKS, SCAMMED TWICE

    Try the contact details

    Try the contact details above, also FBI/IC3 might be interested as well.